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I've been going back and forth for months debating to do a billet crank 3.8 ELITE 12 injector build on the GTR or move onto the huracan platform and send to sheepey race for a 2+ build on stock motor/tranny.

Sheepey cars have been putting down consistent numbers as Tony Palo tunes all their cars.
There doesn't seem to be a big history of reliability yet though.

From what I've been able to find online, it seems if both cars have the same HP(not even factoring torque) the TT huracan absolutely destroys the GTR.
Can anyone provide insight to this?

Cost wise I'm looking at the same amount around 80k for a built GTR (1400ish hp/1200 tq) or stage 2+ kit from Sheepey (1200-1400hp, 800-1000tq?)
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Guess it come down to what car you like more.I can’t fit in a Huracan personally. Tony has been killing it with the Sheepy kits though


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Love both cars and each has their own quirks.

Just looking to see why and if in fact the huracan is faster.
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Love both cars and each has their own quirks.

Just looking to see why and if in fact the huracan is faster.

Lots of fake Draggy shit going on right now


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Lots of fake Draggy shit going on right now


That's definitely a good insight. As someone who doesn't know anything about it I just observe.
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I'd say build the car you wanna look at and drive to dinner.  You can make either a GTR or a Lambo faster than is usable as a street car given the time.

 

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I'd say build the car you wanna look at and drive to dinner. You can make either a GTR or a Lambo faster than is usable as a street car given the time.

Dave


That would be both 😂

But I'm comparing with the same amount of money thrown in. Not looking to do full out drag builds although the GTR would be halfway there Vs the huracan.

Huracan seems faster power for power but Tim does make a good point with dragy videos going around...BUT some videos in mexico confirm them to an extent.
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That would be both

But I'm comparing with the same amount of money thrown in. Not looking to do full out drag builds although the GTR would be halfway there Vs the huracan.

Huracan seems faster power for power but Tim does make a good point with dragy videos going around...BUT some videos in mexico confirm them to an extent.

Hou are correct! Same as the GTR world,there are quality shops and there are shit shops trying to make a name for themselves. 


 

 


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I'd say build the car you wanna look at and drive to dinner.  You can make either a GTR or a Lambo faster than is usable as a street car given the time.

 

Dave

Dave this seems to be a trend in the GTR world right now full 18’s around ina full street setup.People enjoying there cars.
As most of y’all know I’m been on this kick flrn2.5 yrs and it’s honestly been really fun .
Pick the wife up in on Fridays for Happy hour,go to dinner on Saturday.Wash it on sundays. Then go put it back in the warehouse for 4 days
i just Smile


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I don’t think a stage 1 TT Lambo/R8 (1000 wheel) does better than a mid 4 60-130. That’s my old A9 category +/-

A tune only 720 is a little quicker (if it hooks).

I know there are some quicker ones online but don’t think it’s the base build that comes with a warranty (which is pretty cool).

The stage 3s run mid to low 3’s but that’s a good deal more cash. Spending that much on a GTR and you could get a 20 Nismo and a balls out Elite Prime car and smoke it hahaha.

With all that said - if I fit in a Huracan/R8 I’d have one hahahahah
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I don’t think a stage 1 TT Lambo/R8 (1000 wheel) does better than a mid 4 60-130. That’s my old A9 category +/-

A tune only 720 is a little quicker (if it hooks).

I know there are some quicker ones online but don’t think it’s the base build that comes with a warranty (which is pretty cool).

The stage 3s run mid to low 3’s but that’s a good deal more cash. Spending that much on a GTR and you could get a 20 Nismo and a balls out Elite Prime car and smoke it hahaha.

With all that said - if I fit in a Huracan/R8 I’d have one hahahahah


Stage 2+ is 66k from Sheepey. Similar package available from AMS.
These kits on stock motor make 1300 easy and have been told a lot of guys actually run them at 1500.

That is my question and point droptop. Why is the huracan faster with same Hp yet lower torque?

3.8 billet elite prime is actually what I was planning to do before I saw how much this huracan platform is taking off.

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1200-1500 hp is a big difference for a GTR build. Assuming the Huracan would be the same.

How much quicker are you talking ? I’m assuming you don’t mean 1/4 mile where tq would make a difference.

Roll on 60-130, 100-150 ? Primes are high 2’s to mid 3’s both depending on how much boost in second and whether or not using antilag.

Stage 3’s online I see are running low to mid 3’s? Stage 2 I don’t know honestly. What times are you seeing.

FWIW - the difference from a 3.0 to a 3.5 60-130 would be whoever jumped first pretty much. It’s too short of a distance. Use 60-180 if you can or 80-180+

The Huracan is 400+ lbs lighter too isn’t it ? Never weighed one personally.

If @ the same dyno numbers lighter car should be quicker roll on, but remember power band comes into play too as does tune and boost by gear.

I think I said it before, if I fit I’d have one hahahah
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Old setups : Alpha 9 w/ AMS 3.8, GTX3582R Gen II w/ AMS 4.1 billet crank, GTX3582R Gen II w/ AMS 4.0 big bore billet crank and of course FBO E85.

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I have pretty good experience with both cars.  I do prefer the v10 platform at this point.  For similar mods the Lambo/R8 platform seems to hold up a bit better.  Power for power they are quicker.  

 

My AMS Performante would commonly run 9.20s and 3.6X 60-130s.  This was on E85 with a stock motor/ trans and a Dodson clutch.  This is in a fun weight car.  There weren't really any compromises and the car was still relatively quiet and drove like stock.

The car is getting a built trans and motor over the winter and I expect great things from it.

 

My other Huracan they did (Omega) runs consistent 7.60s @18x(with factory springs and dampers) and 60-130s in the 2.3X range.  This is on race gas with 68mm turbos at about 3700LBS with me in it.  I am honestly shocked by the reliability given the times it has posted and how many times it has done so.  its a pretty basic pistons and rods motor happily making about 1800WHP.  the drivetrain is also holding up well and has seen many many hits with no issue.


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Appreciate the good info and it sounds like AMS is going to push this platform in the right direction without becoming snobs about it. So far everything is very enticing and hope to only get better.

I'll be putting the GTR on the backburner and will probably trade it in for a SUV. No need for two fun cars :)
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I have pretty good experience with both cars.  I do prefer the v10 platform at this point.  For similar mods the Lambo/R8 platform seems to hold up a bit better.  Power for power they are quicker.  

 

My AMS Performante would commonly run 9.20s and 3.6X 60-130s.  This was on E85 with a stock motor/ trans and a Dodson clutch.  This is in a fun weight car.  There weren't really any compromises and the car was still relatively quiet and drove like stock.

The car is getting a built trans and motor over the winter and I expect great things from it.

 

My other Huracan they did (Omega) runs consistent 7.60s @18x(with factory springs and dampers) and 60-130s in the 2.3X range.  This is on race gas with 68mm turbos at about 3700LBS with me in it.  I am honestly shocked by the reliability given the times it has posted and how many times it has done so.  its a pretty basic pistons and rods motor happily making about 1800WHP.  the drivetrain is also holding up well and has seen many many hits with no issue.

Mr Jordan Martin has just spoke gentlemen!!


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I have pretty good experience with both cars.  I do prefer the v10 platform at this point.  For similar mods the Lambo/R8 platform seems to hold up a bit better.  Power for power they are quicker.  
 
My AMS Performante would commonly run 9.20s and 3.6X 60-130s.  This was on E85 with a stock motor/ trans and a Dodson clutch.  This is in a fun weight car.  There weren't really any compromises and the car was still relatively quiet and drove like stock.
The car is getting a built trans and motor over the winter and I expect great things from it.
 
My other Huracan they did (Omega) runs consistent 7.60s @18x(with factory springs and dampers) and 60-130s in the 2.3X range.  This is on race gas with 68mm turbos at about 3700LBS with me in it.  I am honestly shocked by the reliability given the times it has posted and how many times it has done so.  its a pretty basic pistons and rods motor happily making about 1800WHP.  the drivetrain is also holding up well and has seen many many hits with no issue.


That type of reliability is awesome. Your post is important info for those looking at putting some miles on their engines. Very little info out there on reliability. Fast is fun but not when cars need constant refreshes or repairs.
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RD Engineering. HKS GT1000 build. 1100+WHP

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To put it in perspective, my stock motor/trans Performante had gone a best of 9.22@157 and run a 3.68 60-130 time (all on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires). In the mean time it has been driven, extensively in that form. Gold rush rally last year, A corsa Rally as well as 4 track rentals, thousands of street miles and lots of street pulls. All in a package civilized enough to take my wife out to dinner. They really are well sorted now days. Oh and I also drag races it at TX2K.
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To put it in perspective, my stock motor/trans Performante had gone a best of 9.22@157 and run a 3.68 60-130 time (all on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires). In the mean time it has been driven, extensively in that form. Gold rush rally last year, A corsa Rally as well as 4 track rentals, thousands of street miles and lots of street pulls. All in a package civilized enough to take my wife out to dinner. They really are well sorted now days. Oh and I also drag races it at TX2K.

Thanks for the info Jordan as a lot of us have these questions.


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To put it in perspective, my stock motor/trans Performante had gone a best of 9.22@157 and run a 3.68 60-130 time (all on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires). In the mean time it has been driven, extensively in that form. Gold rush rally last year, A corsa Rally as well as 4 track rentals, thousands of street miles and lots of street pulls. All in a package civilized enough to take my wife out to dinner. They really are well sorted now days. Oh and I also drag races it at TX2K.


That’s a fun street car. 9.2 @ 157 with a 3.6 means your running a good amount of boost by gear. 1.7 60’ ?

I assume it runs close to this on the street with a soft launch.

What’s the 100-150 on this setup ?
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To put it in perspective, my stock motor/trans Performante had gone a best of 9.22@157 and run a 3.68 60-130 time (all on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires). In the mean time it has been driven, extensively in that form. Gold rush rally last year, A corsa Rally as well as 4 track rentals, thousands of street miles and lots of street pulls. All in a package civilized enough to take my wife out to dinner. They really are well sorted now days. Oh and I also drag races it at TX2K.


Damn its moving. Next map up and can put even more hurting on a lot of cars 😮. Nino S on Instagram has been rolling sub 3.5s with his stock motor huracan.

Edited by PurEvl, 27 November 2020 - 11:27 AM.

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