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ELITE Plus... or is it.. Andrew's 2017 Monster is born!!!

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Well with the release of the all new ELITE turbos just around the corner I decided it was time for the build thread for the test car we finished and delivered a few months ago.

As with any of our product testing is very important to us. With the first versions of the ELITE and ELITE Plus not only did we purchase a car to test them on we also went through tons of heart ache and variations before ever releasing them to the public. Thankfully this time around we had a bit more figured out and pretty much hit the ball out of the park on the first swing. Thank god :)

 

There will be a release thread about the all New ELITE turbos mid January but until then this will offer as a little info on not only the new bad ass turbos but also an absolutely stunning build.

 

This beautiful 2017 came to us with a few minor bolt-ons previously done but the owner was ready for a full build. As always I love to consult people into builds that fit their goals, needs, desires, and budgets. In this case our good customer Andrew wanted an all out, best of the best stock manifold build that would not only be competitive, but also an absolute blast to drive on the street. Andrew attends some of the biggest GT-R events in the US but also half mile AND no prep events in his car. So he needed a very well rounded, controlled car that fit his needs.

 

With all the options out there these days sometimes the process of picking what works best with what is hard. Unfortunately the rapid growth of social media sometimes paints the wrong or only a partial picture of what is best for the customers wants, and what they actually need to perform. I pride myself in trying to stay very unbiased during this process to clearly explain the concepts. Being a supported installer and reseller of every major brand there isn’t much we haven’t installed, tuned, built, or experienced here at TSM. Thankfully that gives us one of the more well rounded opinions of what actually works vs. what is advertised. As many will tell you I am also the first person to tell you that you don’t need something or if something I make isn’t the best for you. Even if I’m going to make money on it I will not recommend something that I have proven isn’t needed at any given power level.

 

On Andrew’s car we fitted it with our completely newly designed class legal ELITE Gen II turbos (name to be revealed soon) which took some supporting mods given the power output of these new turbos. We opted to go with our race 3.8 which includes a Sonny Bryant billet crankshaft, upgraded Carrillo rods, completely custom designed billet CP pistons and our custom wet sump oiling modifications.

 

Usually with the older style ELITE turbos we would go with our Level 1 cylinder heads as the Level 2 fully ported options didn’t really make much difference in power. However with the Gen II design drive pressure has been significantly decreased so adding to the efficiency of the intake system has actually proven to provide gains. In our Level 2 heads a full port job including intake and exhaust is combined with the GSC valvetrain. This includes GSC’s valves, valve guides, conical spring and titanium retainer kit, and billet camshafts.

 

In order to support the power output several things were needed. First off we were going to have to utilized a 12 injector setup for ethanol since we planned on the Gen II ELITE to make over 1400hp. We installed the normal Fore Triple system that we utilize in 90% of our builds, but we were in need of additional stuff up top to supply the fuel. Andrew decided on the very attractive cast AMS manifold to house his 3rd fuel rail and secondary set of Injector Dynamics 1700cc injectors. With a Fore Innovations fuel rail/regulator combination we assembled all custom PTFE lines to route the fuel through the system and finally returning via the fuel temp / ethanol monitor.

He already had a 4” exhaust so we utilized that system by simply adding the 3.5” ETS downpipes to it. We also upgraded him to the ETS Super Race Intercooler kit to keep those intake air temps in check.

 

As many of you know we aren’t the biggest advocates of utilizing the factory ECU to control 12 injectors. We also knew that this setup was going to be heavily heavily drag raced so full control was certainly going to be an advantage. We opted to go ahead and upgrade to the Motec M1 to ensure the ultimate tire to pavement performance was available. The capability of the Motec is far beyond the factory ECU at these levels especially when pushing the cars to perform at the race track. The ability to dial in torque management, launch control, traction control and all types of safety cuts is incredibly valuable.

 

So what were the results?  Better than I was even hoping for!  You can see below the dyno graph for the *To Be Named ELITE Turbos and the real world performance has been right there to back it up. This car has been drag raced both at no prep events, at the track, half mile raced, and generally just beat the hell out of!  Not one single hiccup! I’m sure Andrew will get in here with some impressions for those of you who want some real world data.

 

Stay tuned to see this car and 3 other Gen II ELITE cars at the GT-R World Cup looking for 7 second passes!  

 

 

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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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Outstanding. Love it!
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Pretty amazing bro! What has it ran in the 1/2 and 1/4 so far?

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Way out of the park, insane numbers
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TSM always raising the bar! Congratulations!

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1426 AWHP

8.75 @ 163MPH Tx2k19

190MPH Roll Race @ Tx2k19


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Pretty amazing bro! What has it ran in the 1/2 and 1/4 so far?

 

The turbos have gone 209 in the half (not great air) and 172.9 in the quarter.   So far


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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
TopSpeedMotorsports.com
**AWD Dyno Tuning
**Parts, Sales, Service


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Wow! That is frigging amazing performance cicio. Congrats to you and Andrew.

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Crazy - stock frames doing some serious work.

Home run as always !!

Edited by droptopp, 04 January 2019 - 03:03 AM.

GTX3582R built and tuned by STM, AMS 4.1, Omega billet crank, Alpha Cams, STM DP, MP, 4 STM Titanium custom exhaust, STM Race FMIC 22x18x4.5, full 3" piping, ID 2000, Sheptrans OneK drop gears, DS axles, E85, Advan GT 10/12 285/315 R888 / MT ET 18x10/12 TE37 Saga MT ET SS 275/245.
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Excellent work as always  :thumbup:

 

What are the thoughts of these new turbos on a stroked motor ?



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Wow! That is frigging amazing performance cicio. Congrats to you and Andrew.

Dave

 

 

Crazy - stock frames doing some serious work.

Home run as always !!

 

 

Thanks guys!!!

 

 

Excellent work as always  :thumbup:

 

What are the thoughts of these new turbos on a stroked motor ?

 

 

As with the old ones they aren't going to respond amazing to a stroker.  It will work... but you will lose a little power up top and probably induce some boost creep due to the added exhaust energy. 

 

Plus they would spool so dang fast it would be nothing but a tire shredder.  

 

BUT i will say that the turbine geometry is much much more efficient on these so it would be better than the GenI turbos 


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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
TopSpeedMotorsports.com
**AWD Dyno Tuning
**Parts, Sales, Service


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Thanks guys!!!

 

 

 

 

As with the old ones they aren't going to respond amazing to a stroker.  It will work... but you will lose a little power up top and probably induce some boost creep due to the added exhaust energy. 

 

Plus they would spool so dang fast it would be nothing but a tire shredder.  

 

BUT i will say that the turbine geometry is much much more efficient on these so it would be better than the GenI turbos 

How about with a 4.0 setup?


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How about with a 4.0 setup?


That works just like a 3.8
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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
TopSpeedMotorsports.com
**AWD Dyno Tuning
**Parts, Sales, Service


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That Racing Channel did a sweet feature on your ride! Congratulations!


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TSM Elite Prime (4125lbs w/Audiophile sound / AC, etc.)

1426 AWHP

8.75 @ 163MPH Tx2k19

190MPH Roll Race @ Tx2k19


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That Racing Channel did a sweet feature on your ride! Congratulations!


https://youtu.be/g7gBB-2ynYc' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'> https://youtu.be/g7gBB-2ynYc

 

I watched it yesterday morning, pretty awesome.    Andrew does a good job at giving credit to the people that make it possible,  he's the exact way in person as well, hung out with him a bit at the GTR WC and its nice to see someone appreciate the efforts of those around him.   

 

His car is awesome.   His new R8 that he got delivered at the GTR WC is pretty awesome too!


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Now that is impressive!  What tires is he running to get traction?

 

It looks like he left it in auto mode when he did the various races.  Is that because the paddle shifters depend on human input and won't shift at the right points to get the best times?



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Probably has autoshift set up - I don’t bother with the paddles either ;)
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Heartbreaker Mustang 1186 E70 low boost. Dynojet 1350 +/- 60-130 3.5 seconds. 100-150 3.4 seconds.

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Exactly! I have my Manual shift setup for Autoshift in R-Mode! It’s good to have, especially for Roll Racing!

Edited by celsius, 07 March 2019 - 08:51 PM.

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190MPH Roll Race @ Tx2k19


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Really?  How does it work in roll racing?  How fast does it downshift when you hit it?  I have only driven in Autoshift mode a few times and don't like that is upshifts at such low rpms.  I actually drive with the paddle shifters 99,.5% of the time and love it.  I can choose the gear and RPM I want to start in, I just have to watch the tach carefully to make sure I shift before hitting the redline.  It gets to the redline pretty quick, but roll racing is not as big an issue as from a dig.  I think the Autoshift mode for a dig launch would be the safest and best way.



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To clarify what I’m saying.
It’s not in “Auto”, like automatic mode.
it’s in “Manual” but autoshifts when in R-mode.
The tuner can setup setup shifts to be at the desired RPM for each gear.

TSM Elite Prime (4125lbs w/Audiophile sound / AC, etc.)

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190MPH Roll Race @ Tx2k19


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^^ yep - it is the bomb for roll racing - can be in R or NonR mode. Paddle to whatever start gear you want at any rpm and floor it - car will auto shift at any preset rpm - 7.5k, 8k, 8.5k, 9k etc.

I believe you can actually have two different rpms set for R and non-R, but I never clarified this last year before the reboot.

It’s really nice when using antilag or rolling boost cause you can focus on steering hahaha
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GTX3582R built and tuned by STM, AMS 4.1, Omega billet crank, Alpha Cams, STM DP, MP, 4 STM Titanium custom exhaust, STM Race FMIC 22x18x4.5, full 3" piping, ID 2000, Sheptrans OneK drop gears, DS axles, E85, Advan GT 10/12 285/315 R888 / MT ET 18x10/12 TE37 Saga MT ET SS 275/245.
Heartbreaker Mustang 1186 E70 low boost. Dynojet 1350 +/- 60-130 3.5 seconds. 100-150 3.4 seconds.





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