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Bad Build Fixed!!! - TSM ELITE Build Born!!!

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Another week another build! 

 

The beautiful car came to us from Kentucky. It previously had already been to Atlanta for a build but was brought to us with a hurt engine for diagnosis. It was already an Alpha9 with some very good supporting mods so we can’t take credit for the entire build. The trans had also just recently come back form Shep as that had previously failed from the previous build as well. Needless to say the goal was already set for me… turn this GT-R enthusiast into a believer in the industry again and deliver him an absolute badass reliable automobile!

 

With that in mind we went to work taking the engine apart. Thankfully he caught the damage before it got too bad! While the major oiling components such as the oil pump, oil cooler, and timing equipment needed to be replaced it did not hurt the block, heads, crank, cams or any other major components. That was a relief to us both for sure. Instead of just rebuilding the same setup he already had, Mike decided that he would rather have one of our tried and true 3.8 Street engines. Fortunately we were able to use his block as a core and rebuilt it up from there. 

 

With a strong new engine under him, Mike of course wanted more power like the rest of us. He opted to go with the TSM ELITE turbos since roughly 1050whp  was his ultimate goal. Mike already had a twin pump setup as well as the other fuel system components needed excluding injectors. Both the fuel system wiring and the fuel pumps were incorrectly installed,  but we got all that ironed out pretty quickly. 

 

In order to save the customer some money we reused the parts in the heads. We were able to re-do the valve job and update the heads to our head gasket spec without replacing all of the difficult parts. Which worked out great as it saved him a decent amount of money. So his cams, springs, retainers, and valves went back in the heads after a dab of our TSM secret sauce  :)

 

Again thankfully we were able to reuse his block and crank. We balanced the assembly with our in house designed CP pistons and upgraded Carrillo rods. All of our oiling modifications were done and then final assembly. 

 

The car hit the dyno and unfortunately a few more gremlins from the last build came out to play LOL! We were able to diagnose and fix them, but it took a couple times on and off the dyno in order to do so. Once it was good though it was GOOD! The ELITE turbos did exactly what they should have done and made great power with amazing spool! It laid down an impressive 900whp on pump 93 and 1079whp on E85. 

 

The customer has now had the car back for a little over a week and is loving it! I have gotten texts and emails about how amazing the car is to drive now. Mission accomplished!!!

 

I want to say thank you to Mike for allowing us to work on your beautiful car and trusting us to be the shop to restore your faith in it. I’m glad you decided not to sell!!! Enjoy it in good health sir!

 

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~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

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Man you guys must hate the color or something lol!
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~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg

Call: 678-297-7770

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Lol. I commented in the other forum.

Cicio, how was the 2.5 on this setup during tuning? Are you comfortable with numbers on e-85 for regular driving, or is the customer only running e-85 at the track?

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double post

Edited by tg07, 11 March 2018 - 10:24 AM.

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I Never hate DMG man. I will say on thing man you clean up a lot of messes and I comend you for that. I hope you have turned the owner into a believer.
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Well done Cicio!
2014 Premium | TSM Built Motor & Elite Plus 1124 AWHP | WGP Assembled & Tune | Shep 1K | Racing Brake | AMS | Unobtainium | Advan GT | Overtake | Varis | DCTMS | BRIDE | https://instagram.com/formidable_gtr

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Man you guys must hate the color or something lol!

 

No way, the color is great.  Is that actually paint?  I would have done red for the accent pin stripes instead of orange, but that's nit picking!

 

Cobb AP I assume?


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It’s actually a wrap... I was just joking cause it was a ghost town in here lol



I can figure out how to multi quote on my phone so.. answers


It’s a One-K not a 2.5.. I would probably push a 2.5 this hard as log as the owner understood it was on borrowed time.

The dyno numbers are deliver numbers and I’m 100% comfortable with it.



Tim we clean up way way more messes than I post about... I usually error on the side of walking soft and not hating on others work. I just keep my head down and build quality cars as well as relationships.

However, it’s getting really frustrating watching good people ... good car owners getting fed lines of crap! And flashy BS marketing. It’s costing people tons of money and even worse it’s costing them their passion for cars! I’m over it!

~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

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Oh and this one is ECUTEK actually!
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~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg

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Doh!

For whatever reason, I was thinking this was the same build as from this thread:

http://www.gtrherita...e-5#entry134174

That car, which was just delivered is running a 2.5 and put down 1,084/839.

Sorry for the confusion.

My wife said today that she has no desire to build a new house in the next couple years, so I’m going to move forward with my build. I will shoot you an email.

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Yes sir... and he knows there is a risk.

I like your wife :) lol

~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg

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Yes sir... and he knows there is a risk.

I like your wife :) lol


Me too!

I think I’d run the elite plus setup on a 2.5 for one year, but not a ton of events. The following year I can send it back for the mods to those turbos all the way up - 1k, race ic, 4” exhaust, and flex fuel.
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Me too!

I think I’d run the elite plus setup on a 2.5 for one year, but not a ton of events. The following year I can send it back for the mods to those turbos all the way up - 1k, race ic, 4” exhaust, and flex fuel.



Let’s do it!

~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

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Email sent

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What was done poorly in the old build that led to the ultimate failure of the engine?

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Tim we clean up way way more messes than I post about... I usually error on the side of walking soft and not hating on others work. I just keep my head down and build quality cars as well as relationships.

However, it’s getting really frustrating watching good people ... good car owners getting fed lines of crap! And flashy BS marketing. It’s costing people tons of money and even worse it’s costing them their passion for cars! I’m over it!



That sad to here! I really don’t understand how shops promise somet and when they can’t deliver blame it on something else Bunch if jizz licking assholes in my book
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What was done poorly in the old build that led to the ultimate failure of the engine?



Hard to tell once the engine fails... but it was a 3.8 making 800hp and blew up... so it was way off
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~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg

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As always good stuff Cicio. Another happy customer.
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Cicio you estimated $45k to get from stock to a reliable 900whp. This was not a quote for any specific parts but a ballpark you kindly gave me last year. 800whp is much less costly. Are people pushing builds too hard in that no mans land in between? And how do we know there are bad builds when all it takes is a bad tune, at any power level?
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Cicio you estimated $45k to get from stock to a reliable 900whp. This was not a quote for any specific parts but a ballpark you kindly gave me last year. 800whp is much less costly. Are people pushing builds too hard in that no mans land in between? And how do we know there are bad builds when all it takes is a bad tune, at any power level?

 

 

900hp takes a built engine and trans.  800whp is the very upper edge of what can be done on stock components.  Which is why the cost difference is pretty significant. 

 

In this case it was a fully built engine, trans and tuned all by the same shop... so leaves little to the imagination when the engine and trans both go to shit. 

 

As for tunes hurting engines... tunes hurt engines in a much different way than just someone who doesn't know how to build a proper engine... it's very very hard to blow up a properly built 800hp GT-R with a tune... like damn near impossible. 


~Cicio

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013

-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place

-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place

-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS

-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place

-TSM Shop Car (ETS Pro1900) @ 7.37 & 198

-Fastest Customer @ 7.52@192

-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169

-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

-Standing Half Mile 225.9 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 219.5 MPH

-Standing Half Mile 218.3 MPH

 

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