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Great post Cicio and I agree with everything you wrote.

I was one of those that said I give him some credit for admitting his mistake. But don't take that as me respecting him or his business.

I appreciate the risk taken and time, money and heart/soul that the top shops have put into this platform. While so many on the other site cry GTR tax, I see it as you guys earning a return on massive investment. If it weren't for the top shops pushing the platform, I don't know if the GTR would even be around today.

I'm glad you shared your thoughts. Hope to be sending some business your way soon. 👍

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Great post Cicio and I agree with everything you wrote.

I was one of those that said I give him some credit for admitting his mistake. But don't take that as me respecting him or his business.

I appreciate the risk taken and time, money and heart/soul that the top shops have put into this platform. While so many on the other site cry GTR tax, I see it as you guys earning a return on massive investment. If it weren't for the top shops pushing the platform, I don't know if the GTR would even be around today.

I'm glad you shared your thoughts. Hope to be sending some business your way soon.


Thanks brother. I too would have given credit if he would have done it without being forced.

I have / had nothing against him.. honestly don't know much about him ... but stuff like this pushes my buttons. I am probably too invested and emotional about this industry... I need a girlfriend lol
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Thanks brother. I too would have given credit if he would have done it without being forced.

I have / had nothing against him.. honestly don't know much about him ... but stuff like this pushes my buttons. I am probably too invested and emotional about this industry... I need a girlfriend lol


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I'll say that what bothers me most about it is the reply from the majority of the people on there.   The customer literally came in the post and said that he told Joe that if he didn't come clean about it he was going to out him.  Joe didn't do anything on his own accord, he only had a sudden case of conscious after he got caught red handed and then threatened.   He even said he continued to lie to the customer AFTER he showed up on the door step!  I mean that takes something special right there.   So how is that supposed to "earn someones respect" or "it takes a real man to admit his mistakes".  OMG give me a break. 
 
I work my ever loving ass off to stay in front of the curve in this industry and with my customers.  Sometimes I have to tell customers things that they don't want to hear, but I can promise I don't want to have to say them worse than they don't want to hear them... it is HARD.  Whether it is your fault or money or a supplier you just BE HONEST!!!   It is SO easy to be a cheat and take advantage at times and only the people who really have integrity won't take that opportunity.  
 
In my opinion this is a by product of the "cost of entry" to industry these days.   Social media  and the weight it seems to hold in our lives has made it so easy to just BAM.. become a shop!  It's complete BS and it is bad for the community.   90% of the shops in our industry would not stand a chance in business if it was 30 years ago.  They don't build anything, they don't race, they don't innovate, they don't push the envelop to better themselves and their product for their customers.  They simply troll social media and the forums for poor unsuspecting consumers that have been programed to look at all the wrong things when choosing a shop to work with.  I swear I could right a damn book on this.  
 
We need to go back to the marketing strategies of "Win on Sunday sell on Monday" that was the equalizer!   Aspects of the internet, paid advertising on social media, fancy videos... they have taken focus from what is real in this world of automobiles.   
 
Obviously that is the "gloom and doom" version.. there are positives from everything but it's just getting more and more frustration for the people out there pushing the envelop and sacrificing a great deal to do so.  
 
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and a great rant it is,so true!!!

Getting people to admit they were wrong now days is like asking somebody to cut off there Dick. When I was young one of the conversations I had with my dad that always stuck with me was,look somebody in the eye when talking to them,give a firm handshake and be honest. If people lie to you. You don’t want them in your life anyway.
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Girlfriends turn into wives. Wives consume all available time and monetary resources, thereby resulting in a drastic reduction of personal GDP. Haha!

This. And then they make little versions of you and them and those suckers are even worse(I mean, better if she's reading this honey I love you).
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and a great rant it is,so true!!!

Getting people to admit they were wrong now days is like asking somebody to cut off there Dick. When I was young one of the conversations I had with my dad that always stuck with me was,look somebody in the eye when talking to them,give a firm handshake and be honest. If people lie to you. You don’t want them in your life anyway.

Good advice right there. Tis called integrity. Hard won, easily lost.

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In the new age of instant gratification and I want it now mentality!  This is what happens.  Everyone wants the car fixed/upgraded NOW because I have an event next week.  And shops are under pressure to deliver or risk losing business.  I say screw that shit!  Be up front and tell the customer the truth.  Sorry pal, your car is not going to get fixed in 5 days.  Get over it.  This is the real world!


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In the new age of instant gratification and I want it now mentality!  This is what happens.  Everyone wants the car fixed/upgraded NOW because I have an event next week.  And shops are under pressure to deliver or risk losing business.  I say screw that shit!  Be up front and tell the customer the truth.  Sorry pal, your car is not going to get fixed in 5 days.  Get over it.  This is the real world!

 

Yup... I learned this lesson with my GT-R tested my patience tremendously now I got flat lied to about delivery, timeline, etc. where I'd prepared and waited patiently for the time I'd been promised my diva-ness got ramped up when it was apparent it was going to be 3-4 times longer.

 

I remember messaging John (Shep) looking to pick a fight cause it was very apparent it wasn't going to be ready in at least another 2 months, and he calmly explained to me that DSS was on backorder for everyone whether you had a 1.5 trans or a stage5 or AMS or tiny shop. Everyone was facing delays.

 

I remember sitting there like, well he just flat laid it out nicely and calmly and realistically and ended up feeling like a dick. Thats how it should be done, like you said you have good guys like Shep who tell it how it is no matter where you sit on the spending chart, and lying asses who just want the cash.



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You want a honest answer...Easy just ask Shep,I ask him for advice all the time
Straight up good dude!!!
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You want a honest answer...Easy just ask Shep,I ask him for advice all the time
Straight up good dude!!!

Truth. Shep is the man. Helped me out tremendously.

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Yup... I learned this lesson with my GT-R tested my patience tremendously now I got flat lied to about delivery, timeline, etc. where I'd prepared and waited patiently for the time I'd been promised my diva-ness got ramped up when it was apparent it was going to be 3-4 times longer.

 

I remember messaging John (Shep) looking to pick a fight cause it was very apparent it wasn't going to be ready in at least another 2 months, and he calmly explained to me that DSS was on backorder for everyone whether you had a 1.5 trans or a stage5 or AMS or tiny shop. Everyone was facing delays.

 

I remember sitting there like, well he just flat laid it out nicely and calmly and realistically and ended up feeling like a dick. Thats how it should be done, like you said you have good guys like Shep who tell it how it is no matter where you sit on the spending chart, and lying asses who just want the cash.

 

There is a bit of a difference between John's business and what Bach (or even myself) do. If John says sorry your transmission is #30 in the queue - you'll just wait because you want it done by him.

 

If Joe says I can't get that done in a week - most likely the customer will just go to someone who will tell him they can get it done in a week. And then you've possibly lost the customer forever. Is it worth over-extending your resources to retain a customer? Not really - but it is a difficult situation to be in. 

 

I've had plenty of times someone messages me asking "can you get this done by this weekend for a race, event, show..whatever" and I just have to decline because I don't want the stress or risk the quality of a job


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I want to add the guy that got Bach to apologize about this event Barry Berger has almost came to a resolution with him over it. I’m happy for him to get this situation resolved.
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There is a bit of a difference between John's business and what Bach (or even myself) do. If John says sorry your transmission is #30 in the queue - you'll just wait because you want it done by him.

If Joe says I can't get that done in a week - most likely the customer will just go to someone who will tell him they can get it done in a week. And then you've possibly lost the customer forever. Is it worth over-extending your resources to retain a customer? Not really - but it is a difficult situation to be in.

I've had plenty of times someone messages me asking "can you get this done by this weekend for a race, event, show..whatever" and I just have to decline because I don't want the stress or risk the quality of a job

His problem isn't mismanagement of time or white lies, it is blatant theft.
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His problem isn't mismanagement of time or white lies, it is blatant theft.


I wish other people would share there stories.
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There is a bit of a difference between John's business and what Bach (or even myself) do. If John says sorry your transmission is #30 in the queue - you'll just wait because you want it done by him.

 

If Joe says I can't get that done in a week - most likely the customer will just go to someone who will tell him they can get it done in a week. And then you've possibly lost the customer forever. Is it worth over-extending your resources to retain a customer? Not really - but it is a difficult situation to be in. 

 

I've had plenty of times someone messages me asking "can you get this done by this weekend for a race, event, show..whatever" and I just have to decline because I don't want the stress or risk the quality of a job

 

I didn't have a problem with the que spot lol and I'm sure if I'd called John ahead of when the lame shop that tried to promise me the world to get money, I'd have discovered the DSS backorder lol. But live you learn. 

 

My point wasn't they're remotely the same, its that one guy has zero problem telling you how it is no matter who you are, and others try to promise the world to get $ flowing... Very few people who've budgeted 60-100k can fly pick their cars up in pieces and have a different shop do it (I almost had AMS do it they kinda talked me down from that during my build, cause I felt lied to over the time line 1 month is not 4 lol), Hindsight being what it was, and what was found on the car. Probably wouldn't have been a bad move to trust my gut on that and pull the car lol


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Girlfriends turn into wives. Wives consume all available time and monetary resources, thereby resulting in a drastic reduction of personal GDP. Haha!

 

Not the good ones.  You appear to have a good one.  Any one who will drive on a track in a GT-R is obviously a good one.

 

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Not the good ones. You appear to have a good one. Any one who will drive on a track in a GT-R is obviously a good one.

Shawn


Haha! Oh I definitely have a good one, and she loves racing. But she still wants girly stuff like date night twice a week, brunch on Sundays, trips to Europe, expensive shoes for her birthday, days at the spa, the list goes on. Being married has easily cost me the price of another GT-R over the last 5 years (including the wedding) LOL!!

Choester knows what I am talking about!
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In the new age of instant gratification and I want it now mentality!  This is what happens.  Everyone wants the car fixed/upgraded NOW because I have an event next week.  And shops are under pressure to deliver or risk losing business.  I say screw that shit!  Be up front and tell the customer the truth.  Sorry pal, your car is not going to get fixed in 5 days.  Get over it.  This is the real world!

 Yup I won't lie that was me lol, but I can say I've learned some patience both when my M4 was down and they had to ship an engine from NC, and an oil cooler from Germany with that taking 2 months, and then learning some self control with the GTR build as shit as I ended up getting treated in the end lol

 

 

But the key is people learn. Some never will lol


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