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Yeah totally understood... The only 12x we did was the prototype and it made well over 1500.. pretty sure the production unit would make 1600 if it was properly built. That is just a theory tho.




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Different dynos, so that makes the comparison iffy but if I'm not mistaken t1 has done a couple 12x's and they're like low to mid 1400's. Maybe not pushing them as hard?

The 2 here locally made mid 1300s but Iirc both of them are stock crank motors.

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Different dynos, so that makes the comparison iffy but if I'm not mistaken t1 has done a couple 12x's and they're like low to mid 1400's. Maybe not pushing them as hard?

The 2 here locally made mid 1300s but Iirc both of them are stock crank motors.

 

 

We do like to push things :)  I don't like going slow lol 


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-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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There are a lot of variables in play, when comparing two different cars built by two different tuners dynoed on two different tuners with the same turbo kit.


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We do like to push things :)  I don't like going slow lol 

 

Heard the Elite Plus is slow when it's back in customer's hands. :weep: It just got smoked by a regular Alpha 9 on the street. Maybe issues with the car though. 


- 4.4 liter Alpha 12 built by TSM (R.I.P)
- 4.1 liter ER/ETS 6466 built myself with the help of everyone.

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Heard the Elite Plus is slow when it's back in customer's hands. :weep: It just got smoked by a regular Alpha 9 on the street. Maybe issues with the car though.


lol you heard wrong

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***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
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-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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Call: 678-297-7770
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Heard the Elite Plus is slow when it's back in customer's hands. :weep: It just got smoked by a regular Alpha 9 on the street. Maybe issues with the car though. 

 

Which Elite Plus car are you referring to? Kinda strange seeing how extremely well they do on events



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lol you heard wrong


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Which Elite Plus car are you referring to? Kinda strange seeing how extremely well they do on events


It's not strange it's BS

Like I literally couldn't make a Plus car slow enough to get beat by a A9 ... they make over 1000 on gate when we build them.

Last week a customer went 168 on his delivery map, two weeks before that one destroyed an A12

Anyway this thread isn't about ELITES, it's about the new ETS kit.
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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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Call: 678-297-7770
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Cicio,

 

I completely understand the customer's decision to run an ETS kit. I choose their intercooler for a similar reason. Gotta respect any company chasing records that hard! With that in mind, the Pro1400 comes close to the TSM Elite Plus. How would a customer go about choosing one of the two?

 

 

The Plus comes up about 500rpm sooner or so and makes 100whp less

Transient boost on the Plus is also much much faster.

I think the Plus is a better street car for sure... but it's simply not gonna lay down quite the times this will... in theory.

Also the Plus is considerably cheaper

So just depends on what the customers ultimate goals are.

 

So with that said Cicio, what would be your thoughts on employing the Pro 1400 kit on a, lets say, your 4.1L engine set up?



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So with that said Cicio, what would be your thoughts on employing the Pro 1400 kit on a, lets say, your 4.1L engine set up?

 

 

Price point would be higher but the car would be nasty! 


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***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
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The Plus comes up about 500rpm sooner or so and makes 100whp less

Transient boost on the Plus is also much much faster.

I think the Plus is a better street car for sure... but it's simply not gonna lay down quite the times this will... in theory.

Also the Plus is considerably cheaper

So just depends on what the customers ultimate goals are.

 

 

So with that said Cicio, what would be your thoughts on employing the Pro 1400 kit on a, lets say, your 4.1L engine set up?

 

 

Price point would be higher but the car would be nasty! 

 

I bet... and with a 4.1L would you say that it may spool like the Elite+, transient boost, etc?



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I bet... and with a 4.1L would you say that it may spool like the Elite+, transient boost, etc?

 

 

Spool would be similar, transient is never gonna be as fast as an ELITE Plus.. you just can't compete with the hot side sizing and how we have made that work.  BUT you will have an extra 100whp or so to play with ... that said it's probably a 20k more expensive build as well. 


~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
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Spool would be similar, transient is never gonna be as fast as an ELITE Plus.. you just can't compete with the hot side sizing and how we have made that work.  BUT you will have an extra 100whp or so to play with ... that said it's probably a 20k more expensive build as well. 

 

"Velly interesting" ... :thumbsup:



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Spool would be similar, transient is never gonna be as fast as an ELITE Plus.. you just can't compete with the hot side sizing and how we have made that work. BUT you will have an extra 100whp or so to play with ... that said it's probably a 20k more expensive build as well.


How much quicker does the pro1400 come on compared to the pro1700?

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How much quicker does the pro1400 come on compared to the pro1700?



It doesn't

Pro1700 is a beast!

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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
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That's 4.1 vs 3.8 though no?

Pro1700 seems hard to beat. I'd like to upgrade from my a12 to something that makes around 1500whp and doesn't sacrifice much low-midrange and that seems like a winner.

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That's 4.1 vs 3.8 though no?

Pro1700 seems hard to beat. I'd like to upgrade from my a12 to something that makes around 1500whp and doesn't sacrifice much low-midrange and that seems like a winner.

 

 

That is 100% correct yes sir.

 

Pro1400 3.8 vs. Pro1700 4.1

 

I would never do a 3.8 on any car over 1500whp and under 2000 personally.


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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
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cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
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Cicio

            could you put up an overlay graph with the elite plus and pro1400 on a 3.8 ? :)


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Cicio

            could you put up an overlay graph with the elite plus and pro1400 on a 3.8 ? :)

 

 

You know it! 

 

While after driving both these cars I still don't think this tells the FULL story.  Transient boost response on the ELITE is Fing crazy!  But it gives a good picture. 

 

This is to take NOTHING away from the Pro1400 because when compared to most other full kits this thing is incredible.  BUT the E+ does show it up pretty bad down low.   As you can see from the graph it is about 180tq @ 4000RPM 

 

HOWEVER it for sure can't keep up on the top end. 

 

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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.47@194
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.98@169
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
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Would I be out of line guessing your customer is of Chinese origin?

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