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ETS Super Race Intercooler Tested on TSM ELITE Plus

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I wanted to post some recent results up form our TSM ELITE Plus in house development car. 

When we first built the car we decided to try our hand at some intercooler development.  We used bell cores and built a one off kit for our car.  As we ran the car and turned it up we found that the intercooler while not horrible wasn’t doing close to what we had hoped.  It was a little worse than the AMS race intercoolers we have tested as well as the ETS race.   Not mind blowingly worse but worse.   Yes I’m a big boy and can admit when we screwed up lol!

 

So that said I have been wanting to change it out for the last few months in order to allow the car to make some more power.  Turbos being pushed to the edge of their efficiency produces more heat at the turbo outlet / intercooler inlet that needs to be taken care of.   So the in house car on our ELITES really is about as good of a test as you can get for an intercooler. 

That all said I have to thank the guys at Extreme Turbo Systems for stepping up big in helping us with our program.  The level of support and comradery
from those guys is simply awesome!  They joined forces with us on the ELITE car and asked us to test out just how good their ETS Race Super intercooler was.  Michael and the guys there are always willing to help or listen to input from top level shops in the industry.  It is humility and willingness to support that will ultimately make better products for the community as a whole.  So hats off to the guys at ETS for doing just that.

 

We just came off the FL2K event with our other intercooler 2 weeks ago and installed the ETS Super last week.  The fit on the intercooler is awesome!  The way it sits in the bumper area as well as how it supports the top of the bumper itself is very nice compared to some others we have installed.  It comes in at 48lbs for the core only which is a little heavier than the Race only ones by 4-5lbs but that is obvious since the core thickness is massive! 

 

So this past Sunday we took the car to Import Face Off in Montgomery for some testing.  The temperatures were almost identical as they were in FL which was crazy but true.  You can see on the graph below that the starting intake air temps were almost identical.   I had a few issues with the launching on the car since we decided to completely try a new launch strategy that we had never tried.  I know because of that I gave up some MPH, however even with that I was able to trap over 2mph faster with ZERO changes except the intercooler on this car. 

 

Check out the data below you can see that through the pull the ETS Super manages the heat so much better than the other.   I know you guys are thinking well how does that help me because it isn’t even comparing it to an available intercooler on the market.  I acknowledge that … just know that I have run these turbos on both ETS / AMS race and street on Cobb cars…while I don’t have pretty overlay data for those I will tell you that the Super pulls at least 20 degrees out of the best of them.    I have not tested the new BL or the Driven Innovations which I think are both good systems but this ETS Super is amazing!  

 

In this case you can see almost a 63 degree difference at the top of a quarter mile pull.... that is MASSIVE!  I was floored.  honestly I thought that it would pull temps down maybe 20-30 degrees... Boy was I wrong!    I can't even explain how impressed I am with this piece.  

 

In closing here is my little sales plug, we are a full partner with ETS and stock lots of their parts.  We have competitive pricing and are happy to help you with any expertise or purchases you may need.   We support those who support us.   Thanks guys!  Feel free to ask questions, I’ll answer what I can.

 

 

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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.39@200
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.82@179
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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Impressive!

One thing I often wonder about is the importance of core design vs core size. All of us have seen the discussions about fin density and core construction, but at the end of the day it seems that most companies selling intercoolers fall back to just marketing the core size. Obviously for a heat sink, size is important. But have you seen cases in your testing where a significantly smaller core performed the same or better as a larger unit such that core design was the clear reason? I'd love to have some black and white data the next time a "I bought this $99 core on ebay and it's huge so you guys are all idiots for buying those name brand pieces" thread comes up ;)
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Impressive!

One thing I often wonder about is the importance of core design vs core size. All of us have seen the discussions about fin density and core construction, but at the end of the day it seems that most companies selling intercoolers fall back to just marketing the core size. Obviously for a heat sink, size is important. But have you seen cases in your testing where a significantly smaller core performed the same or better as a larger unit such that core design was the clear reason? I'd love to have some black and white data the next time a "I bought this $99 core on ebay and it's huge so you guys are all idiots for buying those name brand pieces" thread comes up ;)

 

If for sure isn't all about just size, however what exact percentage of IATs are end tank design, core quality, or core size I really couldn't tell you.  I'm not that smart :) 


~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.39@200
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.82@179
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

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Very nice!

 

Did the old IC have the duct fins at the sides to force air into the core?


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Cicio and Team,

 

Thank you for the kind words.  It's always a pleasure working with one of the top GT-R shops in the country! 

 

Thanks,

 

Michael


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Can't argue with the results, but for the love of God, can you make the end tanks look like they weren't made by someone as useless as me?

Are the joint to the piping radiused on the inside at least?

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Very nice!

 

Did the old IC have the duct fins at the sides to force air into the core?

 

Good question.  Yes there was.  

 

Can't argue with the results, but for the love of God, can you make the end tanks look like they weren't made by someone as useless as me?

Are the joint to the piping radiused on the inside at least?

Dave

 

 

lol I'll let Michael fight that battle haha!  :) 


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~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.39@200
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.82@179
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
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cicio@topspeedmotorsports.com
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Can't argue with the results, but for the love of God, can you make the end tanks look like they weren't made by someone as useless as me?

Are the joint to the piping radiused on the inside at least?

Dave

 

 

Dave,

 

Yes, we internally port and radius the inlet and outlet tubes. 

 

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Thanks,

 

Michael


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6.88 @ 222mph - Silver ETS GTR
 
255mph 1/2 Mile GT-R World Record - Silver ETS GTR
 
 
 

 


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Good question.  Yes there was.  

 

That's awesome. So all the improvement was the core and endtank design. Thanks for clarifying.


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Do you need to trim the crash beam? ETS site you do and you don't ?? 

 

 

  • Requires minor trimming of crash beam.

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I run the Race and no trimming was required. Super race is an extra 1" of thickness so not sure if that's the limit where trimming is required.


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Do you need to trim the crash beam? ETS site you do and you don't ?? 

 

 

  • Requires minor trimming of crash beam.

Intercooler Kit (Default)

  • Intercooler w/ Mounting Brackets. (Fits factory crash beam and bumper cover, no cutting!)
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Sorry about that! I will get the website updated.

 

Race = No Trimming

 

Super Race = 1" of trimming along the backside of the crash beam.

 

Thanks,

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Sorry for the delay in answering this... crazy weekend and day over here.

 

Thanks Michael for jumping in. 


~Cicio
 
***TOP THREE TSM 1/4 MILE***
-7.37 & 198
-7.39@200
-7.59@189
***TOP THREE TSM 1/2 MILE***
-225.9 MPH
-221.3 MPH
-219.5 MPH

-OneLap of America Overall 1st Place - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
-TX2K13 Overall 1st Place | TX2K13 Class 2 1st Place
-Shootout 2015 Overall 1st Place & 2nd Place
-TX2K15 Class 4 2nd Place | TX2K15 Roll Race 1st Place SS
-FL2K 2015 Overall 1st Place
-TSM ELITE Plus Stock Frames @ 7.82@179
-Standing Half Mile Stock Frame Turbo Record @ 209 TSM ELITE

TopSpeedForumGTR.jpg
Call: 678-297-7770
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Sorry about that! I will get the website updated.

 

Race = No Trimming

 

Super Race = 1" of trimming along the backside of the crash beam.

 

Thanks,

​Michael

Thanks for the clarification !! ETS great products. 



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Excellent results!

 

One thing I was always curious about is why many people don't cut a hole in the front bumper crash beam and front bumper to allow air to pass through the top part of the intercooler?

SPE modifies some of their customer cars like this.  These new race intercoolers are huge and much taller yet outside cooling air is only passing through about 50-70% of the core on the bottom area only.  There must be some cooling gains to be made in this regard


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I put an ETS race on a customer car earlier this year. Was happy with it. 

 

My only gripe was that due to the piping configuration, and the fact that the car in question had the AMS oil cooler on it (Its thicker than stock) the passenger pipes were rubbing on the oil cooler. I had to spend a decent amount of time massaging the IC pipes and oil cooler bracket to keep the oil cooler from rubbing the IC pipe 

 

I guess I didn't get any real pics of the rubbing

 

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Also the IC came with some misc bolts and spacer rings with no instruction as to what went where. Maybe a small instructional insert would have made it a little less painless


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Excellent results!

One thing I was always curious about is why many people don't cut a hole in the front bumper crash beam and front bumper to allow air to pass through the top part of the intercooler?
SPE modifies some of their customer cars like this. These new race intercoolers are huge and much taller yet outside cooling air is only passing through about 50-70% of the core on the bottom area only. There must be some cooling gains to be made in this regard


That's very common for road racers. There are several options for replacing that piece of the grill with a vented one, or buying a whole new bumper cover with larger openings. But yes, you also have to cut holes in the crash beam or else the openings in the grill won't really help...
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That's very common for road racers. There are several options for replacing that piece of the grill with a vented one, or buying a whole new bumper cover with larger openings. But yes, you also have to cut holes in the crash beam or else the openings in the grill won't really help...

 

 

Seems like two "simple" projects would be required

 

1) Cut hole in crash beam and front bumper

2) Find a trim piece or panel to make hole in bumper look good aesthetically


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Seems like two "simple" projects would be required

1) Cut hole in crash beam and front bumper
2) Find a trim piece or panel to make hole in bumper look good aesthetically


Yes, and I've seen that done as well. It can be made to look good if you can weld Aluminum and work with Bondo & Paint.
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