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Thanks that helped a lot. 7racer has the HVT option 3 which allows him to make changes on the fly which is nice for us amateurs trying to dial the car in on the fly.

Do you have any cars in the US running option 2 yet? Would love to hear some feedback from users on this. If not I am sure we could get a few folks here with different years (CBA Vs DBA) to try it out.

Yes, I know that this remote control comes in handy. The downside is that the "HVT" option "only" makes use of an integrated 3 axis axelerometer and "only" has 5 levels. "Only" meaning this is already so much more than stock (continuous damping control, front and rear axis seperately adjustable, roll and pitch-dive assistance, much larger damping range which can be used dynamically).  "Only" also meaning it is less than the possible inputs DSC control module uses or can use.

 

Option 2? I leave that question to the DSC sport staff. We have plenty of customers of option 1 and option 3, which is logical because that is how we started with nissan GTR about 3 yrs ago. Most of those customers are outside USA though. but that maybe also answers the question on maturity of the shock tehnology. I think our first Nissan GTR sets date from about 2,5-3 yrs ago and there must be around 100 sets driving around in different countries under different labels. The valve technology is on the market since 2011 and still quite innovative, but it certainly is not an adventurous Enterprise ;-)  And the DSC sport control box has also been tested in nissan GTR by DSC sport (see post from Tom Chan) . As shock absorber developer and manufacturing company we actively promote option 2 and 4 because that is the way to go: using all the data your car has anyway and now just is not being used to its full extent to control the shocks. Option 2 is already a large leap in functionality, option 4 is for when you as driver feel you reach the limitations of the stock shocks because the stock shocks are not fast or stable enough. Within Option 4 there is RT and RTX, but I hope that is all clear now.

 

Tom


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Thanks! I definitely would like to try option 2
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Love this thread. Great info!!!

Hey Tractive. There is a LARGE group of hardcore 1000hp-1700hp drag racers and the problem is the suspension tends to be pretty specialized. HVT mention long ago about a drag set up. Would that be necessary with option 2-4?
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Hi,

Any update on this subject?

There is no info on Tractive www about this GT-R shocks???

Are they purchasable? How? When?
What about warranty? Are they rebuildable like Ohlins?

Who sells the DSC Sport controller and TTX coilovers set ? Tractive or DSC Sport?

Thanks anyone for update !

Edited by Tata, 14 August 2016 - 09:06 PM.

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Hello Tata,

 

A lot of questions in one post ;-)

 

We are not selling directly. We developed the kit together with DSCsport. Shock absorbers, springs, top mounts and control units are all in stock at DSCsport.  I ll have you contacted by DSCsport. 

 

The shock absorbers are of course completely serviceable. Aluminium light weight body, ride height adjustable, with or without additional reservoir with or without compression adjusters.

 

Tom Glazemakers


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Any updates on this Ehyman? Did you get it installed?

- 4.4 liter Alpha 12 built by TSM (R.I.P)
- 4.1 liter ER/ETS 6466 built myself with the help of everyone.

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Any updates on this Ehyman? Did you get it installed?


http://www.gtrherita...-goodies/page-2

He's been running then for a while i think.

I'm also keen to hear updates though!

Dave
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Another question for the tractive and dsc folks, can the gtr dampers come with a front lift setup? Activated say by a quick double up press on the suspension toggle and automatically lowering when the speed goes over say 10mph?

Dave

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Another question for the tractive and dsc folks, can the gtr dampers come with a front lift setup? Activated say by a quick double up press on the suspension toggle and automatically lowering when the speed goes over say 10mph?

Dave

 

no, the tractive essentially changes the valving but can't lower or raise the car.  There was a post on the tractive site where you can add the lifts to it that would do that...but I don't think you can make it speed dependent, unless it's in software that Ehyman has.


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Hello all,

 

No, at this moment we do not supply a lift kit for the Nissan GTR. In cooperation with DSCsport we do supply an automatic active lift kit with the requested functionality and controlled by the DSCsport control module (above certain speed automatic lowering etc). This has been devoped for all applications with Tractive inverted struts. Helas the Nissan GTR does not have inverted struts as shock absorber principle.

 

Technically it would be possible to develop a unit that can do this function, controlled by the DSCsport module. This is at this moment not yet planned. Such a unit could be applied to the Tractive front shock absorbers as an upgrade.

 

Maybe the right time and place to inform you all that next week DSCsport and Tractive Suspension will have a booth at the AutoSport International show in Birmingham during the trade days 12th and 13th january for trade visitors. If visiting one of these days and interested, please visit our booth E1084. Let me know on info@tractivesuspension.com. Thank you.

 

Best regards

 

Tom Glazemakers

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DSC Sport just released the lift kit on Tractive coilovers for the Porsche. I'll bet they can do it for the GTR too. They released it at PRI.


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Hello

 

DSC Sport just released the lift kit on Tractive coilovers for the Porsche. I'll bet they can do it for the GTR too. They released it at PRI.

That is exactly what I meant. It was released at PRI show. It works on all inverted strut type of shocks. But helas not (yet) on Nissan GTR type of shocks.

 

See link below to check how an inverted strut looks like.

https://www.facebook...7528937/?type=3

 

 

Tom


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Hello all,

 

No, at this moment we do not supply a lift kit for the Nissan GTR. In cooperation with DSCsport we do supply an automatic active lift kit with the requested functionality and controlled by the DSCsport control module (above certain speed automatic lowering etc). This has been devoped for all applications with Tractive inverted struts. Helas the Nissan GTR does not have inverted struts as shock absorber principle.

 

Technically it would be possible to develop a unit that can do this function, controlled by the DSCsport module. This is at this moment not yet planned. Such a unit could be applied to the Tractive front shock absorbers as an upgrade.

 

Maybe the right time and place to inform you all that next week DSCsport and Tractive Suspension will have a booth at the AutoSport International show in Birmingham during the trade days 12th and 13th january for trade visitors. If visiting one of these days and interested, please visit our booth E1084. Let me know on info@tractivesuspension.com. Thank you.

 

Best regards

 

Tom Glazemakers

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Thanks for the quick reply Tom.  I'd missed that the Porsche units are inverted, makes sense.

 

When you say could be applied as an upgrade... do you mean that if I bought the dampers right now I could send them back and have them upgraded with a front lift kit if/when one became available?  Or would it be a case of buy a whole new pair of fronts?

 

Thanks,

 

Dave


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Still wondering Tom. Will email you.

Dave

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Heard back from Tom:

Hello Dave,

We do not have anything ready yet. But whatever we develop, will fit on our shocks, and our shocks only.

For 99% sure it will be possible to retrofit. So you could start using our shocks and than later implement the lift kit.

It will be compatible with the DSCsport control unit just like the lift system for the porsches functions.

Be aware this has not yet been planned.

Best regards

Tom
 

Van: David Andrews [mailto:david.andrews112@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: maandag 17 april 2017 20:15
Aan: Info@tractivesuspension.com
Onderwerp: Nissan GT-R Front lift kit add-on

Hey tom, 

We had a discussion in this thread about a front lift kit for the Nissan GT-R tractive dampers. 

http://www.gtrherita...s-/-controller.

You mentioned that if a kit were developed it could be an add-on. I am wondering if that is something that could be added to any existing pair of dampers (by you I presume), or if it'd require purchasing a whole new pair. 

Many thanks, 

Dave 
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I am having Umbrella Auto Design kit installed on my Tractive RT shocks, will report once I try them how smooth they work!


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Are these set and forget enough for someone is driving mostly street(hard driving on windy roads), track day a couple times a year and maybe a trip to the strip once.
They seem pretty awesome and I don't have the time or expertise to tune them so hoping the factory map(s) would be enough.

Tim

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R33 GTR 414kw@4 wheels


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Are these set and forget enough for someone is driving mostly street(hard driving on windy roads), track day a couple times a year and maybe a trip to the strip once.
They seem pretty awesome and I don't have the time or expertise to tune them so hoping the factory map(s) would be enough.

Tim

 

For sure. That's how 99.9% of Porsche owners use the DSC.


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Great to hear :) thank you!

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just ordered the RTX  and CONROLLER should be on the car in about 2 weeks. Will be at Indie Motorsports end of month. I have lots of time on this track so I'll be able to evaluate this system. Unfortunately (not) new AP racing front radical calipers are also being installed which could cause some confusion about which one is contributing and to what degree to the epic improvement in lap times I expect (for 16k installed)


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