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Stolen from:
 
http://www.bobistheo...opics/4015494/1
 
Summary:
 
http://pds.mobil.com...1_FS_0W-40.aspx

Dated February, 2016. Of note, still no LL-01 approval. Looks quite different from the outgoing 0w-40:[/size]

Approvals:[/size]
- API SN, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4[/size]
- MB 229.3, 229.5, VW 502 00/505 00, Porsche A40[/size]

Specs:[/size]
@ 40ºC .......................................................................70.8[/size]
@ 100ºC......................................................................12.9[/size]
Viscosity Index..............................................................186[/size]
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) .........................................21600[/size]
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, (ASTM D4683).......................3.6[/size]
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896).......................................12.6[/size]
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874)..........................................1.34[/size]
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981).........................................0.1[/size]
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92)...............................................226[/size]
Density @15ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052).....................................0.8456[/size]


Versus the old M1 0w-40:[/size]

Approvals:[/size]
- API SN, ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4[/size]
- MB 229.3, 229.5, LL-01, VW 502 00/505 00, Porsche A40, Nissan GT-R[/size]

Specs:[/size]
@ 40ºC .......................................................................75[/size]
@ 100ºC......................................................................13.5[/size]
Viscosity Index..............................................................185[/size]
MRV at -40ºC, cP (ASTM D4684) .........................................31000[/size]
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150ºC, (ASTM D4683).......................3.8[/size]
Total Base Number (ASTM D2896).......................................11.8[/size]
Sulfated Ash, wt% (ASTM D874)..........................................1.3[/size]
Phosphorous, wt% (ASTM D4981).........................................0.1[/size]
Flash Point, ºC (ASTM D92)...............................................230[/size]
Density @15ºC, g/ml (ASTM D4052).....................................0.85[/size]
 
New Mobil-1 is MUCH thinner than original Mobil-1 0W-40 that the original VR38DETT was designed for.  I liked the follow up version of the SN, as it sheared much less than the original SM version.  But this NEW stuff is awfully thin.  I abandoned Mobil-1 for my ride years ago because of heavy track abuse - but I have NEVER been able to say that it was deficient for a stock GT-R.  I'm not so sure about now, but I know I won't be the guinea pig trying the new stuff out.[/size]
 
Any volunteers to send a sample to Blackstone after usage of the new formula?  It will probably take 4-6 months for distributors to extinguish old stock of the original SN formula?[/size]
 
Shawn[/size]


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Further info....

 

Change of formula is due to EXXON/Mobil getting their GTL plant online (unsure) or they are buying from SOPUS...

 

1-DECENE, HOMOPOLYMER HYDROGENATED 68037-01-4 10 - < 20% H304
DISTILLATES (FISCHER - TROPSCH), HEAVY, C18-50 – BRANCHED, CYCLIC AND LINEAR 848301-69-9 40 - < 70% H304

So it is 10-20% PAO and 40-70% GTL!!! 

 

I have a few buds in EXXON/MOBIL, so I will be seeing if they can update me on any EXXON Gas to Liquid plants coming online.

 

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Interesting that it doesn't list GT-R as approved. Wonder if Nissan will be switching oils in the new 2017 model?



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Interesting that it doesn't list GT-R as approved. Wonder if Nissan will be switching oils in the new 2017 model?

 

Oil selector from Mobil still recommends it for all including the Nismo.  However, it has certainly lost BMW LL-01 approval, which for a whole BUNCH of BMW owners raises an eyebrow.

 

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Thanks for the heads up Shawn.  I've been running the SN Mobil 1 with great luck (at least per my Blackstone reports) for years, with and without ethanol.  But yeah, the GT-R being pulled from the approvals list is a bit concerning.


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Well, shit. Bought a couple of jugs on sale at Walmart last week, and looks like I got the new stuff.

New on the left, original on the right:

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Aside from losing BMW and GTR certification, looks like new stuff is missing GM, Chrysler, Saab, and Fiat certification as well.

Yet the new jug carries exactly the same UPC code as the original. At least it's still good for wife's M-B. :shrug:
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Yet the new jug carries exactly the same UPC code as the original. 

 

In my line of work, someone would get fired for pulling something like that!

 

Changing formulation / certification without changing SKU...    :wacko:  :wacko:  :blink:  :blink:


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Time to try something diff. 



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At least I have a huge stash. Went crazy buying a ton of those big jugs at a couple of Walmart sales. Wife thought I was nuts! I should be good for a couple of years, and likely more when I start tracking my AMG taking the mileage load off the GT-R. Wonder what oil my new GT-S will need?

 

But it is strange they would drop the viscosity. Wonder what Porsche specs are that it still is good enough for your GT3 and every other variant.



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Here are some VOA's from the bob site:

 

2011 test

 

M1_0W40_ORG_VOA.jpg

 

New FS version 2016 test

 

M1_0W40_FS_VOA.jpg

 

It is definitely thinner at 100 degrees C (viscosity of 12.6 vs 13.4 both close to specs), has a lower TBN (11.2 vs 12.5 which does not match the spec for either as the new one should be higher than the old one and test result is the reverse), Zinc is about the same (1005 vs 1023) and boron is up (280 vs 221) and Phosphorous is up (978 vs 893) which are both better by a significant margin. One would have to see some more samples as a single sample doesn't tell you too much.

 

So it's a new recipe. Likely still good. Mine has been going strong on the old M1 for 7-1/2 years now. How much viscosity does one need?



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Here are some VOA's from the bob site:

 

2011 test

 

attachicon.gifM1_0W40_ORG_VOA.jpg

 

New FS version 2016 test

 

attachicon.gifM1_0W40_FS_VOA.jpg

 

It is definitely thinner at 100 degrees C (viscosity of 12.6 vs 13.4 both close to specs), has a lower TBN (11.2 vs 12.5 which does not match the spec for either as the new one should be higher than the old one and test result is the reverse), Zinc is about the same (1005 vs 1023) and boron is up (280 vs 221) and Phosphorous is up (978 vs 893) which are both better by a significant margin. One would have to see some more samples as a single sample doesn't tell you too much.

 

So it's a new recipe. Likely still good. Mine has been going strong on the old M1 for 7-1/2 years now. How much viscosity does one need?

 

Descartesfool,

 

STIL after seven years you will not be moved?

 

So what would Mobil have to do to turn you away?

 

41vV5-qdCqL._SY300_QL70_.jpg

 

So would that turn you away?

 

This oil will lose you warranty coverage if you use it in a BMW.  While it's a GREAT off the shelf oil for a stock car, for a high horsepower heavily boosted GT-R.....I wouldn't.

 

Shawn



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Yup. Same old, same old. When I run out of my stash, maybe there will be something new available.



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Yup. Same old, same old. When I run out of my stash, maybe there will be something new available.

Nissan approved
http://u.8.cf.nengun...-e0050b78a7.jpg

 

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Edited by shawnhayes, 10 March 2016 - 08:38 PM.

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Shawn, any news on whether or not they are changing the 15w-50 formula??

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Nissan approved
http://u.8.cf.nengun...-e0050b78a7.jpg
 
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Yeah but Costco *never* has this in 5 quart containers. Total BS!
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Yeah but Costco *never* has this in 5 quart containers. Total BS!

 

If only Costco would carry Motul... :P

 

Motul has other variants that would work with the GT-R though, which are readily available stateside.


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Shawn, any news on whether or not they are changing the 15w-50 formula??


Not certain at this time. However, visiom is the base stock used for all formulas of Mobil-1 since both SM and prior SN version. This is a clear BASE STOCK reformulation to a PAO and a gas based stock, and will likely follow down all lines. 0w-40 is the HARDEST viscosity to achieve and the new properties are reflected in that. None of the other weights will have as dramatic a change in the base properties, but we can presume they will change SOME. Not nearly as much.

But, I stick to the above - you using stock power? Great oil still.

Not for me, though. 80% of my miles are spent at WOT, and even Nissan believes a double ester is better for that application.

Shawn

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I am running this oil. Not out of choice but out of mistake...did not get a chance get to this post before putting it into the engine. Double checked the jug last night and sure as heck it was the new one. I have 250miles on it so far. I do not have empirical evidence on its workings in GT-R yet but I will gladly send a sample out to Blackstone. My observation so far are, they are all subjective, but having driven the same car for 7 years...one gets in tune with its characteristics.

 

My fill is usually F mark minus 3-4mm. At start the engine oil gauge read 5 dots out of 5.

 

- The engine cranks over slightly easier at a cold start

- The overall engine is overall noisier when warm...the ticking sound that comes from the hood vents and other the general sound of the engine are louder....just makes it seem looser...hard to describe.

- This maybe a coincidence but the bellhousing (replacement TSB by Nissan was done 2 years ago) has been louder at idle since the oil change perhaps because the car idles ~50rpm lower now and it hitting that sweet spot of rattling the bellhousing. I usually clean out filters and do an idle re-learn at he beginning of the season, so idles dropped. It was this change in engine that caused me to re-look at the jug to see what i put in.

- The eye-ball average engine oil temp is running about 5-8F lower. First I thought it was just the outside air being ~50F, but nah...the engine usually got much warmer on the same trips with the old oil even when it was 20F outside.

- At WOT, the engine just seems looser....not sure how I can describe it better than that...I have no felt any lack or gain in power.

 

Generally...I want my old oil back. I will send this out to blackstone at 1000 miles...but note that my last blackstone report was probably ~8000 miles and 2 years ago.

I have also reached out to NNA to ask them what they recommend now.


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Descartesfool,

 

STIL after seven years you will not be moved?

 

So what would Mobil have to do to turn you away?

 

41vV5-qdCqL._SY300_QL70_.jpg

 

So would that turn you away?

 

This oil will lose you warranty coverage if you use it in a BMW.  While it's a GREAT off the shelf oil for a stock car, for a high horsepower heavily boosted GT-R.....I wouldn't.

 

Shawn

 

Forgot to add this: Secondary Oil Cooler keeps things nice and cool on my car since 2012!

 

Temps on track before coming into the paddock after each of two 30 minute sessions of running hard on 2009 with OEM power and 31 C ambient were:

Transmission with HKS DCT cooler: 125 C (257 F)
Engine oil with add-on DIY oil cooler: 112 C (234 F)
Engine coolant with OEM rad:99 C (210 F)

 

So high temp oil viscosity not as much of a concern on my car.
 

 

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