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Cheaters!

 

Too funny!
 

German carmaker Volkswagen has been ordered by US regulators to pull half a million cars because of a device that disguises pollution levels.

 

The "defect device" allows cars to pass lab testing even though they actually emit 40 times the emissions standard.
The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has been taking a more aggressive stance on car pollution and violations of the country's Clean Air Act.
The recall could cost the carmaker up to $18bn (£11.5bn).
It affects 2009-2014 Jettas, Bettels, Audi A3s and Golfs and 2014-2015 Passats.
"Using a defeat device in cars to evade clean air standards is illegal and a threat to public health," said Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for the Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance.
The illegal system allowed cars to detect when they were undergoing smog emission test and lowered the rate of pollution. Those emission controls were then turned off during ordinary use.
The state of California which assisted in the investigation has also issued a notice of violation to Volkswagen.
In 2014 the EPA fined Korean automakers Hyundai Motor and Kia Motors $300m for misrepresenting the fuel economy in 1.2 million of their cars. That settlement is the highest so far, to date.

 

 

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Manufactures cheating no way....lol 


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lol this is funny, especially cause its vw

well, let's hope they get it right next time. who's going to get the ax because of this?

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If they had a tune that could produce acceptable levels of emissions when it knew a check was underway I wonder why they didn't run it like that all the time. Would be curious to know what conditions this took place under as well (idle, cruise, moderate load). I count on the BBC to ask the hard questions, they really dropped the ball on this one.
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I'll venture an answer. Most smog tests are either idle & rev holding cycle in neutral, or 1 axle on roller.

The clean tune probably runs awful under load and has bas mileage.

So instead of fixing the engine they said fuckit, and just detect when there's an obd reader plugged in and scanning for readiness and change the map during the run.
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Full details w explanation here:
http://yosemite.epa....3b!OpenDocument

100% details:
http://www.arb.ca.go...ance_letter.htm

The story is good in that letter... EPA and CARB told VW their 2.0l TDI was polluting, then they claimed to fix it, but used a cheater device instead... CARB used advance equipment to test on real load, real road, so the cheater device didn't work... When faced with the EPA report, they admitted the cheater box!!! Ahhaha

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Sucks for the owners of the affected diesel vehicles... Conforming software would surely cripple the otherwise already lethargic performance.
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Lame. Fuck vw
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Lame. Fuck vw

 

Last VW my family owned was my brothers 1984 GTI.  And the last we'll ever own.  Horrible car on reliability.  Yes, a historic car, but own one for a while.

 

Well....unless you count my 1974 914.  I guess that really WAS a VW.

 

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I absolutely loved my 2010 VW Jetta TDi DSG.


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Sucks for the owners of the affected diesel vehicles... Conforming software would surely cripple the otherwise already lethargic performance.

 

lol I have a VW TDI Sportwagen!!  


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After what GM swept under the rug and allowed to continue, is anything shocking in the automaker world? Periodically these deceits are exposed, and it seems that more and more companies are just as guilty as the last. Disappointing for the owners.

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next time I see your cheater ass wagon I'm taking a bat to it 7!
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lol


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what about vw and its Audi lamans car that is diesel... praised about its super low tail pipe puke. was that a lie too or does that use a lamans cheater device too? or was that technology too expensive to equip to fit to a vw?

it's just funny to me. no hate for vw cars tho they have had excessive complaints from some owners.

anyways, gm and others like mentioned above all have issues too. just don't understand why they make these awesome decisions and how the hell do they make it to production and think no one will find out. is it cause they can just blame someone else? are the decisions makers coke heads? lol its just funny as hell.

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And it's not like 1 or 2 people making this bad and dishonest decision... it took executives, middle management, and engineers to implement! lol
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If I had been part of that engineering group asked to design and implement the cheater device you can bet I would have dropped a dime on these aholes! If someone had done this then the handful of people who came up with this idea would have been stopped/demoted/canned, and the proper solution implemented, maybe still costing a lot of money, but hopefully not $18 billion, and saving a lot of embarassment.
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Yeah, this isn't one person in a basement.  It's an entire engineering group that 'dared' play with the emissions DTC cells, which is a big no no, so it had to be approved by middle & upper management.  There's certainly a sizeable group of engineers and managers without ethics at VW that knew exactly what they were doing.

 

Dirty VAG! :D


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I will probably get flamed for this, but I actually like VW's "solution" to CARB's draconian regulations - and I suspect it was developed to comply with the test conditions to the T. When the test called for certain emission levels A given environmental conditions X, Y, and Z, the code employed appropriate hardware to meet them, strictly for the conditions specified. ;)

Let those without sin cast the first stone... But you better not be running O2 "spacers" or mini-cats with your catless DPs. :P
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for once, just this once, I get to not be a hypocrite. lol. oem downpipes all the way baby!!!! So crucify those VW bastards and... wait... oh shoot... does a non resonated midpipe make me a smog cheat too?
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